22.2 percent of Irish would deny citizenship to Israelis. Ireland, J’accuse!

Buchenwald survivors arrive in Haifa. Will it never end? Will Jews be able to live confidently as Jews in Europe, without sacrificing their Judaism and Israel for their peers?

This is the saddest, sickest thing I have read all day. From IrishCentral, a left-leaning website aimed at Irish in America:

More than one in five Irish people would exclude Israelis from Irish citizenship, according to recent research on ethnic and religious attitudes in Ireland.

As a group, Israelis had one of the lowest favorable ratings among the Irish, ranking 44th out of 51 categories.

In the study “Pluralism and Diversity in Ireland,” the author Father Father Micheál Mac Gréil, a Jesuit priest and sociologist, found that while 22.2% of Irish would stop Israelis from becoming naturalized citizens, 11.5% would deny the privilege from all Jews.

“There is a real danger that the public image of ‘Israeli’ can lead to an increase in anti-Semitism,” Mac Gréil told The Irish Catholic newspaper.

Prejudice against Jews was strongest in the 18-25 age group, with 53.6% of this group saying they would be willing to accept a Jewish person into their family, versus 60.7% of Irish people of all ages.

Only 47.9% of Irish would accept an Israeli into their family.

The Jewish population in the Republic of Ireland is less than 2,000 out of a total of 4.5 million, says the Jewish Journal.

The fact that the prejudice is worse among young people shows just how the universities in Ireland are failing to live up the the values universities are supposed to be a beacon for. When we hear about bans placed on speakers who defend Israel in Norway’s universities, it may not be much better in other European countries.  The IPSC and similar groups can certainly pat themselves on the back.  I have no problem pointing to Amnesty International, The Irish Times, Ireland’s universities, Sinn Féin, Eirigi, the SWP, the IAWM and saying: you helped this happen. You are the reason almost half of Irish youngsters would not accept a Jew in their family. You are the reason over one in five don’t want Israelis in their country. You are not only the enemies of the Jewish people, but of all humanity in our time. You are responsible for what can only be described as the return of classical anti-Semitism to mainstream European opinion today.

Its high-time for the sensible majority of people of Ireland to take their media back, take their universities back, take their parliament back and drive a whole lot of Jew-haters into the Irish sea.

UPDATE (May 31st): It seems these statistics are from a book being published on June 30th this year, yet based on research done in 2007-8. Thus, they will not reflect any hostility generated by propaganda or emotion relating to the Operation Cast Lead, the now retracted Goldstone Report, or Ireland’s dispute with Israel over the use of Irish passports in covert ops.

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29 Responses to 22.2 percent of Irish would deny citizenship to Israelis. Ireland, J’accuse!

  1. Conor says:

    Maybe they shouldn’t of stolen and forged our passports to use in an assasination of someone.

    • Irish passports are commonly used by special forces and intelligence agencies. The passports of a neutral, English-speaking country are very valuable and have been used by American Special Forces, Mossad and Russian intelligence amongst many others for covert ops. Oliver North had a phony one back in the day that he used to travel to Iran with US government approval. He also used Guinness Peat, Tony Ryan’s charter plane company to transport weapons to Iran. His accomplice spoke fondly of doing business in Ireland, claiming nobody there asked any questions.

      You may also be aware that Charlie Haughey commenced (only recently terminated) a policy of giving Irish passports to wealthy Arab business people who invested in the country, and who were unlikely to obtain passports from more discerning countries. Some of the figures who obtained passports for themselves and their families turned out to be major donors to Islamist and terrorist organisations.

      So, would you make the same excuses for hatred of Americans, Russians, Arabs as you would with Jews?

      • Edward says:

        Brilliant assertion. But in the Israeli case, we have evidence that this actually happened.

      • What are you saying? That there is no evidence of the use of Irish passports/companies in the Iran-Contra Affair, the Russian spy scandal last year, or in relation Arab investors who obtained Irish passports?

      • Baz says:

        OK. Forging passports to conceal a crime is always wrong, no matter who does it. I condemn ANY foreign country which uses Irish passports in assassination operations.

  2. Teresa Kavanagh says:

    I am disappointed to hear that 11%of Irish people would not give citizenship to Israelis ,I and my family hold them in high esteem ,I suppose what colours People’s perceptions is because of the Palestinian situation ,we identify with it .When this gets resolved I think an awful lot of people all over the World will begin to respect Israel again .

  3. CJH says:

    “The IPSC and similar groups can certainly pat themselves on the back. I have no problem pointing to Amnesty International, The Irish Times, Ireland’s universities, Sinn Féin, Eirigi, the SWP, the IAWM and saying: you helped this happen. You are the reason almost half of Irish youngsters would not accept a Jew in their family. You are the reason over one in five don’t want Israelis in their country. You are not only the enemies of the Jewish people, but of all humanity in our time. You are responsible for what can only be described as the return of classical anti-Semitism to mainstream European opinion today.”

    You appear to be pointing to everybody here but the nakedly genocidal policies of Israel, the actions of whom (eg: the flotilla massacre) has done more to embattle jews worldwide than any of these groups. It is disappointing news however, criticism of Israel and anti-semitism are not the same thing and it is unfortunate that the latter is rising…

    • Nakedly genocidal policies you say? The Israelis must be very bad at that kind of thing indeed: the Arab population of Israel has grown about tenfold since 1948 and similar growth has been seen in Judea, Samaria and Gaza since 1967.

      Look at the bigger picture.

      Since Israel’s establishment 11 million Muslims have died in conflict. 90% of them have been killed by other Muslims. 0.3% of the total have been killed by Israel.

      Up to 80,000 Muslim residents of Kashmir may have been killed by predominently Hindu members of the Indian armed forces in that conflict. That’s well over the 50,000 Palestinians killed by Israel in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict.

      Toss the figures around in your mind. Meditate on this, as it were. Is it what they do, or is it because they are Jews?

      Few today remember a different period of furious and paranoid anti-Zionism in Europe, namely in the Soviet Union. There was a time Zionist activists were put on show trials and made confess to the most ridiculous crimes, assassinated and intimidated. It made McCarthyism look like kindergarten. Jewish celebrities, like the legendary ballerina Maya Plisetskaya, were forced to write articles denouncing Zionism or face losing privileges (Plisetskaya was threatened with being forbidden to tour abroad).

      I have serious concerns about the similar direction Ireland and Europe are going today. Look at how many positive reviewers of The Protocols on Amazon claim the book is not anti-Semitic, but ‘anti-Zionist’.

      The anti-Zionism we see in the West today (outside religious circles) largely arose from the Soviet Union through socialist movements. Hopefully, it will die the same death the USSR did.

  4. GSP says:

    “Since Israel’s establishment 11 million Muslims have died in conflict. 90% of them have been killed by other Muslims. 0.3% of the total have been killed by Israel.”

    What’s 33,000 deaths between friends? John Wayne Gacy killed 33 people, so people should turn a blind eye if I kill one or two?

    Objection to Israel’s actions regarding Palestine is not anti-Semitism. The Irish went through a similar situation of occupation and death at the hands of the English for hundreds of years (sorry guys!), so it’s not overly surprising they draw parallels to the Israel/Palestine situation and the Israelis come out of it looking bad.

    As an outsider and someone I’d hope would be included in a “sensible majority” I am respectful, even envious of the Jewish American culture, work ethic and innovation. It is difficult for me to reconcile this positive image with the stone-age religious conflict that Israel is wrapped up in and seems determined to perpetuate (bulldozing settlements of mud huts/sending in tanks and bombers versus sticks and IEDs is not simply defensive).

    • Have you ever been to Israel, particularly areas like Netanya and Tel Aviv which are hubs of IT and medical innovation, as well as somewhat decadent liberalism? Your picture of Israel and Palestinian territories seems highly skewed:

      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100087267/what-have-the-israelis-done-for-us/.

      Check out this wonderful article by Marc Coleman on Israel also: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/we-need-vision-in-the-desert-to-find-our-route-back-2660568.html

      I’ve certainly never seen any mud huts in my journeys through Arab areas.

      If it weren’t for the conflict it would be far brighter. It is estimated had Israel been trading with all its Arab neighbours since 1991, the average income there would be 45,000 dollars per annum. The opportunity cost of the conflict to all sides is estimated at 12 trillion dollars. Still, Israel has punched well above its weight, particularly as some of the worst socialist policies of the past have been mitigated since Netanyahu’s first term back in the 90s.

      Its a shame. There was once a time when there was sympathy amongst Irish Republicans for the Israeli side. Brendan Behan was able to sing ‘HaTikvah’ enthusiastically and in perfect Hebrew when he encountered Jews during his drinking sessions in the bars of Dublin.

      • GSP says:

        Thanks for the follow-up articles. As I said, I’m a moderate outsider and don’t have much knowledge about the situation outside skimming The Economist every now and then when I’m done with all the other articles.

        I agree with you in that Israel is potentially a great nation – especially with the tech innovation happening over there.

        My use of the phrase “mud huts” was over the top but you did sidestep the spirit of the point which was that bulldozing Palestinian settlements doesn’t do wonders for Israel’s image.

        What would you do to end the conflict? Do you think Netenyahu’s policies towards Palestine are reasonable? Are they considered extreme or moderate by regular Israelis?

        Genuinely interested in learning more about what seems to be an impenetrably complex clusterf**k in which neither party is wholly innocent or wholly guilty.

        The conflict with Palestine seems to be dragging down the International standing of Israel as a nation and I hope it can be resolved within our lifetimes. It does seem to be making it an acceptable position even amongst moderates to be against Israeli policy which opens the door to nastier anti-Semitic viewpoints.

      • The Economist hasn’t been very friendly to Israel, unfortunately. Though a while ago I read them attacking the UN Human Rights Council for bias and hypocrisy. Very brave of them, and lets see more of that!

        As regards to housing demolitions, they effectively stopped years ago for various reasons. Illegally built structures have been downed in Jerusalem but that is a different matter and it would be incorrect to lump them in with what happened during the Second Intifada.

        As the saying goes: ‘Two Israelis, three opinions’. One will never hear the phrase ‘I have no opinion on Bibi’ in Israel.

        Speaking to a secular and politically moderate lifelong Likudnik recently, I heard one of the best lines yet: ”Our enemies are hard-asses. I’m not, but I’ll back the hard-asses here until this is mostly over”.

        Hardliners will almost inevitably be the only ones to achieve success at the negotiating table as they can bring all banners behind genuine peace efforts. Moderates tend to be assaulted from all sides. Sharon may have been the better man to make a genuine peace. No one could have called him a softie. Not to his face, anyway.

        One thing about Netanyahu that has made him more popular in Israel is his success abroad. He really is an eloquent spokesman for Israel. In America, he is able to endear himself to left and right. Watch him on Bill Maher, and after that on Hannity:

        Hannity jokingly asks him if he would consider running in 2012. It seems as if many Americans would really prefer him as President than Obama! Its a shame many Europeans prefer to demonise him as a fascist or Nazi rather than hear him out or really understand more about the subject.

        Its important to consider how Bibi views himself. In Israel, the media and academia has always been tied to the left. His brother, Iddo, wrote a novel that features a right-wing journalist who is unable to get a job due to his political views. Bibi sees himself as someone who has fought and overcome the Establishment in Israel.

        In terms of peace solutions, there are two possibilities. There is either variations on a two state solution, including something like this, which I personally would like: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Spotlight/Sep/27/Two-states-one-Holy-Land-A-potential-framework-for-Middle-East-peace.ashx#axzz1Nr9CbK3N

        There is also the idea of making Jordan a more Palestinian state with the Hashemites losing power and an annexation of Palestinian territories to Jordan in a kind of federation.

        Its either one, the other or even a combination.

  5. Aidan Rowe says:

    I think it’s terrible that people are anti-Semetic, but I don’t think it’s at all fair to blame the pro-Palestinian left.

  6. henry kaminer says:

    The loss of life on both sides is tragic. And now let’s get down to the very basics- Jews have always lived in that corner of the world, since time immemorial- whether they had a country of their own or whether it was conquered by Greece, Rome, Arabs, Crusaders, or Ottomans. They had No Other place where they could live in peace. Britain and France were told by teh League of Naions to take over the Near East and set up boundaries (thus Syria, Lebanon, Iraq etc in modern boundaries). They created the Kingdom of Jordan by Giving it to the Hashemite Family! The part allotted to the Jews got smaller and smaller but the Jews agreed to accept it as their country. The surrounding Arab Countries (and the local Palestinians) Never Agreed to give up one inch of Muslim Land to the Jews. They have been attacking since before 1948 and certainly right after the declaration of existence of Israel. The many Arabs, Christian and Muslim, who are Israeli citizens, fo not want to give up their citizenship and live in an Arab country. WHY? If the Arab countries would agree out loud IN ARABIC that Israel is a legitimate nation and has a right to exist as a Jewish Nation, Israel would be willing to negotiate Everything. it it is that simple.

    • Thanks for commenting, Henry.

      I suppose the lust to restore the Caliphate is quite strong in Islamic culture, and that spirit even infected secular movements in the Arab world such as Pan-Arabism. Many could simply never tolerate supposedly inferior dhimmis flying their own flag and challenging Muslims on their former turf. Edward Said himself made bizarre noises about restoring the Ottoman Empire and Islamic rule over Spain. Some anti-Imperialist he was.

  7. Mark says:

    I’m not sure what to make of that. The words “stupid” and “obviously a madey uppy priest’s name” and “has anyone quoted ever actually been to Ireland” and “there are only 2000 because most of them went to Israel in the 50’s” and “Ireland is still one of the most Catholic countries on earth so obviously the relative populations of other religions are going to be small in comparison considering that Ireland is a place of traditional negative immigration where the overall population falls as a matter of course anyway which would have a double effect on minority communities” and “There is that thing in the constitution that specifically says the government’s cool with them” come to mind.
    Also the title “would deny citizenship to Israelis” well.. aren’t they already citizens of Israel? The title has virtually no relation to the actual article. And whats with the 30 Rock quote “J’accuse!”…is this supposed to be a joke?

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  9. Gubu World says:

    TSW

    Fair play to you for bringing up this important issue. Sorry I didn’t manage to contribute more. A few thoughts.

    The main cause of anti Semitism in Ireland is the domination of the Israel Palestine debate by the hard left. As you rightly said, “Its high-time for the sensible majority of people of Ireland to take their media back, take their universities back, take their parliament back”. In truth I blame the pro Israeli lobby to some extent for withdrawing from the debate. We should passionately and calmly argue the case and never allow the debate be owned by the anti Israeli crowd.

    I don’t believe that all critics of Israel are anti Semetic, but I think many are. It is impossible to tell. It is like when you are playing football and you jump for a ball and you elbow the guy behind you. Only you know whether or not you meant it. It is the same with covert anti semitism. I used to be a lefty. I am still friends with many people who are pro Palestine. I give most of them the benefit of the doubt on this issue that they are of good will.

    May I also say that I beleieve the particular statistic above is not particularly convincing. Polls on peoples opinions about race and ethnicity could easily be manipulated. For example, how many Jews or Israelis would welcome a Muslim into their family? Not many I suspect would be the answer.

    • Thanks Ted, you raise some very good points.

      I don’t want to excuse bigotry in any way, but Israel has been in bitter conflict with Muslim societies for decades. This kind of environment is not particularly conductive to intermarriage. I’m sure a person could see something similar in Northern Ireland. But the Republic of Ireland is a mostly peaceful place on the edge of Western Europe, with no history of conflict with Jews, bar some anti-Semitic instances when the Jewish population was higher (like the pogrom and Council-endorsed boycott against Jews in Limerick) and perhaps some anti-Jewish attitudes prominent in pre-Vatican II Catholicism.

  10. Timothy Cleary says:

    Hi – I’ve just come across this article – as an English born Irish Citizen – I am disgusted at the Idea that Jews/or Israelie Citizens might be discriminated against – should they ever choose to become an Irish Citizen – but before one throws the baby out with the bath water – I should point out that the only European country to pass laws specifically to protect Jews (and that was in the 1930s!) – was Ireland – and that the only ‘old’ European country that never passed anti Jewish laws was Ireland. Thats not to say that there isn’t a certain degree of anti-semetism – but it really is an extreme minority! I would suggest – that if there is an issue – it is – like all such conflicts – based on a perception as to how others are treated – and not unreasonably – injustice – perceived or otherwise – generates a certain ‘fallout’! Maybe a reasoned humantitarian focus on such perceived injustice would lead to a change in such attitudes!

    • The Irish government’s explicit recognition of Jewish religious rights in the Constitution was indeed commendable. Though it is quite unclear if that was entailed in the Articles in question, 44.1.2 and 44.1.3. The Articles granted the Catholic Church an undefined “special position” without making it the state church, and said the state “recognises” other communities. What this recognition entailed and why the state felt it necessary to “recognise” certain groups but nor others is anyone’s guess. I figure its just the tendency for states to try and get their noses into everything.

      The supposedly tolerant message of these Articles did not, however, pierce the heart of the distinguished Judge George Gavan Duffy in his ruling on a case involving anti-Jewish discrimination by a Dublin landlord, in Schlegel v. Corcoran and Gross [1942]:

      ‘Anti-Semitism … far from being a peculiar crotchet, is notoriously shared by a
      number of other citizens … the antagonism between Christian and Jew has its
      roots in nearly two thousand years of history and is too prevalent as a habit of
      mind to be dismissed off-hand, in a country where religion matters, as the
      eccentric extravagance of a bigot, without regard to the actual conditions under
      which consent was withheld.’

      • Baz says:

        As regards Irish history, I know of no instance where a Jew was killed because of his religion – and this in a nation well known for its sectarian strife. Compared to most European countries, that’s quite the record. Regarding more recent history, some Irish people see the words Churchill and partition and don’t have to look further.

      • The only possible examples may be two shootings that took place in Dublin’s Little Jerusalem in 1923. The murder of Bernard Goldberg, a 42 year old jeweller, was followed a week later by the murder of Ernest Kahan, a 24 year old employee of the Dept. of Agriculture. Two others were seriously injured. There was widespread suspicion and fear of an anti-Semitic motive, but the murders were never solved despite a significant police investigation.

  11. Karados says:

    I’m not Jewish (nor even raised in a religious household at all), but all I can say is that I have lost most of my respect for Ireland. Europe lets its anti-Semitic past blind them in the realm of politics, and this is dangerous in the extreme.

  12. Baz says:

    Firstly, Browne is dead wrong on the cancer issue and should apologize.

    On passports, America’s are never used for Mossad ops – even in countries like Norway (the Bouchiki killing) where they would be perfectly acceptable. There would appear to be some sort of deal on this. It will be interesting to see if Harper’s stridently pro-Israel policy will get Canada an exemption as well.

  13. Baz says:

    One more thing. Take a look at the posts in the JP these days about drunken Irishmen etc. That is unacceptable too.

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